Re: (TV) Re: Tom as a punk

[Jesse Hochstadt <jesseh58@yahoo.com>]

Deb -

Not sure if you were replying to me here. I didn't use the term "lunkhead"; I 
used "uninitiated." And the people who did use "lunkhead" weren't referring to 
bands or performers; they were referring to people you try to describe a band to 
who just won't get it. So no one in the discussion would have equated hardcore 
with lunkhead.

I'm not really familiar with Fugazi, so I can't say whether "hardcore" would 
apply to them. From what you and Rex wrote, it sounds like describing them as 
hardcore wouldn't suffice.

Oh, and could you clearly separate your replies from what you're replying to? I 
like reading what you write, but it's a nuisance to figure out where another 
person's post ends and yours begins.

- Jesse



----- Original Message ----
> From: postitnote <postitnote@sbcglobal.net>
> To: tv@obbard.com
> Sent: Sun, May 1, 2011 5:24:59 PM
> Subject: Re: (TV) Re: Tom as a punk
> 
> --- On Sun, 5/1/11, Jesse Hochstadt <jesseh58@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> From:  Jesse Hochstadt <jesseh58@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: (TV)  Re: Tom as a punk
> To: tv@obbard.com
> Date: Sunday, May 1, 2011,  11:58 AM
> 
> The best thing you can do is to play the uninitiated some songs  by the
> musician
> in question. Nowadays, if you own an mp3 player (which I  don't), that's not
> even
> that hard. Leo, perhaps you'd have had more luck  with those women if you'd
> said:
> "I'm doing a bad job describing  Television. Why don't you come up to my
> swinging
> bachelor pad, sit on my  revolving bed, and I'll show you my etchings" - I
> mean,
> "play you 'Marquee  Moon.'"
> 
> Of course there's still the problem of choosing "representative"  songs,
> especially with someone like Thompson. And for the Mekons, I always  say, "You
> _really_ have to see them live."
> 
> 
> - Jesse
> 
> Would  this apply to Fugazi too?  Or is all 'hardcore' labeled in  the
> 'lunkhead' category?  What about the album The Argument or the  soundtrack to
> The Instrument?  I guess people would be turned off  because of their label as
> hardcore when their later works are different than  what people think of as
> hardcore.
> 
> D.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message  ----
> > From: Rex Broome <rexbroome@gmail.com>
> > To: tv@obbard.com
> > Sent: Sun, May 1, 2011  2:15:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: (TV) Re: Tom as a punk
> >
> > On Sun,  May 1, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Jesse Hochstadt <jesseh58@yahoo.com> 
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I generally find it hard to label  almost any musical  performer(s) I like
> > > when
> > >  someone asks me to describe them.  Calling Richard Thompson a  
folk-rocker
> > > tells
> > > you next to  nothing. Calling  the Mekons or X punk bands tells you next
> to
> > > nothing.  My  sense is that the easier it is to categorize a band or
> > >  musician,  the
> > > less interesting they tend to be.
> >  >
> >
> > That's well  said.
> >
> > The lunkhead issue  persists, though.  Richard Thompson's a  good example...
> > if  you're talking to someone who doesn't know who he is, it's  going to  be
> > tough.  Your options are basically to start with the term   "folk rock" and
> > then endeavor to get more specific until their eyes  glaze  over, or to say
> > with greater or lesser candor, "Look, you're  a lunkhead, and  if we
> continue
> > this discussion it's probably  going to be quite frustrating  for both of
> us.
> >  Let's  briefly discuss movies and find out if you're clueless  about film,
> >  too."
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