Re: (TV) Re: Tom as a punk

[postitnote <postitnote@sbcglobal.net>]

--- On Sun, 5/1/11, Jesse Hochstadt <jesseh58@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Jesse Hochstadt <jesseh58@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: (TV) Re: Tom as a punk
To: tv@obbard.com
Date: Sunday, May 1, 2011, 4:45 PM

Deb -

Not sure if you were replying to me here. I didn't use the term "lunkhead"; I
used "uninitiated." And the people who did use "lunkhead" weren't referring to
bands or performers; they were referring to people you try to describe a band
to
who just won't get it. So no one in the discussion would have equated hardcore
with lunkhead.

I'm not really familiar with Fugazi, so I can't say whether "hardcore" would
apply to them. From what you and Rex wrote, it sounds like describing them as
hardcore wouldn't suffice.

Oh, and could you clearly separate your replies from what you're replying to?
I
like reading what you write, but it's a nuisance to figure out where another
person's post ends and yours begins.

- Jesse

Jesse,

Oh sorry for not making my msgs easy to follow.  I've never been on a mailing
list before so I'm having an adjustment period, I suppose.

Re: the term 'lunkhead', I believe it was Leo who first used it and it sounded
like he was referring to people who listened to 'hardcore' music.  But maybe
he meant sthg else.

Well, since you're not familiar w/ Fugazi, they're well-known as a 'hardcore'
band...DC hardcore.  But what me and Russ were referring to is that they have
changed over time and their later music would not really be considered in that
category.  And many long-time fans of them considered it a 'sell-out' for
their more mellow ways.  But it's just a process of them maturing and all. 
Why would they make the same kind of music now that they're older and married
as they did in their younger days?

This wasn't my orig point but I think it got lost along the way...plus no one
prob cares about this but me.

D.



----- Original Message ----
> From: postitnote <postitnote@sbcglobal.net>
> To: tv@obbard.com
> Sent: Sun, May 1, 2011 5:24:59 PM
> Subject: Re: (TV) Re: Tom as a punk
>
> --- On Sun, 5/1/11, Jesse Hochstadt <jesseh58@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From:  Jesse Hochstadt <jesseh58@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: (TV)  Re: Tom as a punk
> To: tv@obbard.com
> Date: Sunday, May 1, 2011,  11:58 AM
>
> The best thing you can do is to play the uninitiated some songs  by the
> musician
> in question. Nowadays, if you own an mp3 player (which I  don't), that's
not
> even
> that hard. Leo, perhaps you'd have had more luck  with those women if you'd
> said:
> "I'm doing a bad job describing  Television. Why don't you come up to my
> swinging
> bachelor pad, sit on my  revolving bed, and I'll show you my etchings" - I
> mean,
> "play you 'Marquee  Moon.'"
>
> Of course there's still the problem of choosing "representative"  songs,
> especially with someone like Thompson. And for the Mekons, I always  say,
"You
> _really_ have to see them live."
>
>
> - Jesse
>
> Would  this apply to Fugazi too?  Or is all 'hardcore' labeled in  the
> 'lunkhead' category?  What about the album The Argument or the  soundtrack
to
> The Instrument?  I guess people would be turned off  because of their label
as
> hardcore when their later works are different than  what people think of as
> hardcore.
>
> D.
>
>
> ----- Original Message  ----
> > From: Rex Broome <rexbroome@gmail.com>
> > To: tv@obbard.com
> > Sent: Sun, May 1, 2011  2:15:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: (TV) Re: Tom as a punk
> >
> > On Sun,  May 1, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Jesse Hochstadt <jesseh58@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I generally find it hard to label  almost any musical  performer(s) I
like
> > > when
> > >  someone asks me to describe them.  Calling Richard Thompson a 
folk-rocker
> > > tells
> > > you next to  nothing. Calling  the Mekons or X punk bands tells you
next
> to
> > > nothing.  My  sense is that the easier it is to categorize a band or
> > >  musician,  the
> > > less interesting they tend to be.
> >  >
> >
> > That's well  said.
> >
> > The lunkhead issue  persists, though.  Richard Thompson's a  good
example...
> > if  you're talking to someone who doesn't know who he is, it's  going to 
be
> > tough.  Your options are basically to start with the term   "folk rock"
and
> > then endeavor to get more specific until their eyes  glaze  over, or to
say
> > with greater or lesser candor, "Look, you're  a lunkhead, and  if we
> continue
> > this discussion it's probably  going to be quite frustrating  for both of
> us.
> >  Let's  briefly discuss movies and find out if you're clueless  about
film,
> >  too."
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