Re: (TV) Leave Hell out please, and de-emphasize the punk-rock NYC scene, concentrate on the 331/3 rpm album itself

[heathbiter@aol.com]

And that "look" was certainly appropriated by the London scene.









-----Original Message-----
From: Russ <russvr@gmail.com>
To: tv@obbard.com
Sent: Wed, Apr 27, 2011 11:06 am
Subject: Re: (TV) Leave Hell out please, and de-emphasize the punk-rock NYC
scene, concentrate on the 331/3 rpm album itself


In addition, the early Television "look"  - the chopped hair, ragged

clothes, torn t-shirt - all inspired by Verlaine/Hell heroes

Rimbaud/Paul Verlaine - was an aspiration to look bohemian and was

mistaken by the media as being "punk".



On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Russ <russvr@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think it is not too far off track to say that Television - went

> through sort of a "punk" stage early on . I cite the song "Double

> Exposure"

> -  a mean snarly ditty, full of aggression and snottiness. Are not

> those "punk" attributes. It's counting angel on the head of a pin

> though when you get down to it.

>

>

> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:46 PM,  <heathbiter@aol.com> wrote:

>>  Interesting thoughts Leo.

>>

>> I am definitely curious to read the 33 1/3 book.  A lot of the 33 1/3s
I've

>> read have been very personal and impressionistic, and rarely a dead on

>> dissection of an individual album.  I imagine Hell's archives could
certainly

>> provide some insight to a a time and place that were crucial building
blocks

>> in the creation of Marquee Moon.  Even if the book is a dead on analysis
of

>> the album, Hell can probably provide some info on the genesis of several
of

>> the songs.  Not to mention some insight into some relevant characters who
are

>> usually tight-lipped or have selective memory.

>>

>> As far as "punk rock"...  I think that label can be pretty subjective.  (I

>> once googled "the original punk" and the results were hilarious!)  Saying
I

>> like 70's NY punk usually makes it pretty clear to people what I listen
to.

>> To me it's an umbrella that covers a scene/movement and a lot of very
diverse

>> bands.  Television will always be linked to punk rock for a lot of
reasons.

>>

>> Heath

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: Leo Casey <LeoCasey@comcast.net>

>> To: tv@obbard.com

>> Sent: Tue, Apr 26, 2011 8:53 pm

>> Subject: (TV) Leave Hell out please, and de-emphasize the punk-rock NYC

scene,

>> concentrate on the 331/3 rpm album itself

>>

>>

>>> 1970s. The author relied heavily on the papers Hell sold to

>>

>>> NYU a few years ago;

>>

>>> I believe this will be the first Television-related book to

>>

>>> make use of that

>>

>>> archive. Should be interesting!

>>

>>

>>

>> I guess my serious concern is that a book on the album Marquee Moon should

>>

>> really have nothing

>>

>> in it at all about Richard Hell.  He didn't play one note on it, nor write

any

>>

>> of its songs.

>>

>> He was gone by late March - early April 1975 from Television.

>>

>>

>>

>> If this author uses Hell's archives as filler at the expense of an analysis

of

>>

>> the album itself

>>

>> he will be a lazy &!!!*$#@%!

>>

>>

>>

>> Also:  Television 1976-78 were not a punk-rock band, and the album Marquee

>> Moon

>>

>> had/has nothing

>>

>> to do with punk-rock,  So, if the author spends a lot of time looking back
at

>>

>> the punk-rock

>>

>> scene in NYC he will have missed the boat (made out of ocean). (Yeah I

>> know....

>>

>> Television

>>

>> shared the bill with punk-rock bands ... so what.)

>>

>>

>>

>> I'm sure I'll get a lot of disagreement on the above, but the onus is on
you

>> to

>>

>> prove that

>>

>> Verlaine's songs, lyrics, melodies, ideas, guitar solos!!, and
song-lengths

>> have

>>

>> anything to

>>

>> with punk-rock.  Maybe if someone asked me on a warm Tuesday in February

>>

>> underneath a marquee

>>

>> moon on Cornelia Street I might say 'See No Evil'  is somewhat in the

>> punk-rock

>>

>> vein given its

>>

>> very fast tempo, but even 'See No Evil' 's lyrics are
poetic/impressionistic

>>

>> ...'romantic'

>>

>> even.

>>

>>

>>

>> Leo

>>

>>

>>

>> SEE NO EVIL (Verlaine)

>>

>>

>>

>> What I want

>>

>> I want NOW

>>

>> and it's a whole lot more

>>

>> than 'anyhow'

>>

>> I want to fly

>>

>> fly a fountain

>>

>> I want to jump jump jump

>>

>> jump a mountain

>>

>>

>>

>> l understand all... I SEE NO...

>>

>> destructive urges... I SEE NO...

>>

>> It seems so perfect... I SEE NOO...

>>

>> I SEE... I SEE NO... I SEE NO EVIL

>>

>>

>>

>> I get ideas

>>

>> I get a notion

>>

>> I want a nice little boat

>>

>> made out of ocean.

>>

>> I get your point.

>>

>> You're so sharp.

>>

>> Getting good reactions

>>

>> with your ''BeBo'' talk.

>>

>>

>>

>> Don't say unconscious

>>

>> No don't say doom.

>>

>> If you got to say it

>>

>> let me leave this room

>>

>> Cuz what I want

>>

>> I want now

>>

>> and it's a whole lot more

>>

>> than 'anyhow.'

>>

>>

>>

>> I'm runnin wild with the one i love

>>

>> I see no evil

>>

>> I'm runnin wild with the one-eyed ones

>>

>> I see no evil

>>

>> Pull down the future with the one you love

>>

>> Pull down the future

>>

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