Re: (TV) Don't Want This To Get Personal / This Case Is Not Closed

[Jay <piazzasanmarco@yahoo.com>]

holy shit, i have been on this mother fucker since 97?
98? and the first throw down!

--- "Casey, Leo J" <Leo.J.Casey@Volpe.dot.gov> wrote:

> Per,
> 
> I'm puzzled why you wrote this:
> >as a guitar player I don't think it's more
> difficult 
> >for me to hear the difference between RL and TV,
> than it ....
> 
> I never said or meant to imply that it's more
> difficult 
> for you ---or anyone else on List----to hear 
> detect/differences. Not sure why you interpreted it
> that 
> way.  I'm not saying my ears are golden.  
> 
> >for a MM-list member to directly understand who has
> 
> >written >the mail I'm replying to and my own one 
> >in lousy English.
> 
> That's too convoluted for me to get, but if you're 
> saying I write lousy English--I'll agree.
> 
> > ...,but **everything** you're 
> 
> Everything? That's a little harsh don't you think?
> 
> > ...just speculations ...despite I'm sure you're 
> >wrong in most of the cases. 
> 
> I'm curious--what cases (if any) do we agree on?
> 
> I don't want this to become a personal thing 
> between you and me (or for there to be any hard 
> feelings). So there's a large part of me that 
> wants to just drop this whole 'debate'.  
> 
> But when you write something as strong as 
> >but everything you're writing is just
> speculations...
> it's more than a little insulting. (Could it be 
> that you feel that since you are the one who is 
> the musician, your opinions/generalizations on 
> who does which parts or particular solos must 
> be right? (Probably you don't.)
> 
> Also--grant me a little a bit of credibility: 
> I have attended some live shows:  about 15 Verlaine
> shows 
> in the 1980s (and one in 2001), and about 10
> Television 
> shows since 2001. 
> 
> But---I would say the primary/strongest source for
> my 
> belief on the parts/solos topic---and not sure I
> should 
> say this here (but can't remember if you're on the 
> 'other' List) is that I have (carefully) listened to
> 
> (more than once) way, way too many live shows (it's 
> larger than 130).  [**I'm not trying to boast  
> here---it's more a little crazy and embarassing than
> 
> anything].  So, I don't think it's ignorance or bad 
> memory or sheer speculation that's deluding me into 
> claiming that there have been occasions (granted not
> very many) 
> where Tom has played some of Richard's parts or
> vice-versa.
> 
> But you say, that doesn't't prove anything, all it
> shows is 
> that you've been mistaken about this often, and your
>  
> ears (and eyes), memory are consistently confusing 
> what really was played. 
> 
> I've been wrong many times before just a few 
> examples of many: I was the guyn who I once claimed 
> T.V was under 6' tall!;   I completely fell for
> Tom's 
> fake story in 1992 interview regarding "1880 Or So" 
> being chosen in 1992 as the album's the 
> best song by a 'focus group' consisting of all his 
> friends' children; I even fell for his fictional 
> Professor Turtle[?] from Louisiana in an interview; 
> and that T.V. he was born in the Town of 'M';.
> 
> >Give us some PROOF!!!
> 
> As I might have mentioned it's ironic that just when
> 
> there's a question (specifically your challenge)
> that 
> I'd like to seek my teeth into (and waste my time on
> 
> :>) ) I am drowning in work at my job. 
> 
> But I like investigating Television minutiae, or
> job-wise 
> stuff, or who really wrote that screenplay, etc. 
> It's 
> often fun like being a detective on the trail of
> trying 
> to solve a crime (It also helps keep my reading
> about my 
> President down to a minimum ). And as far as proving
> 
> things that's kinda what they pay me to do.
> 
> But besides being extremely busy right now (and in
> near 
> future), there's the *practicality* of the whole
> thing.  
> A fair amount of time has passed since I first heard
> 
> specific instances of the switching of solos/parts. 
> 
> I'd have to try to find them as definitive proof all
> 
> over again.  Am I actually willing to listen to
> every 
> live recording that I know of "Call Mr.
> Lee","Rhyme", 
> "1880 Or So" (and maybe even others)?  (Of course, I
> 
> could always do this Herculean task of comparing
> licks 
> as an excuse for procrastinating at work.)
> 
> So, let's say that there is an 80% chance that you
> are 
> correct and a 20% chance I'm all wet on this.
> [But to be clear, I was/am never claiming the
> place/slot 
> where Richard's *song-ending solo* on "Call Mr. Lee"
> 
> occurs is where T.V. more than once played a solo
> that 
> sounded like 
> Richard's.) 
> 
> It wouldn't't surprise if someone contacted Richard 
> and he said you were totally right (or Dennis were
> to 
> weigh-in and say he's certain I'm mistaken).  I
> almost 
> hope they do so I won't be tempted to prove 
> otherwise.  :>)
> 
> 	Leo
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tv-owner@obbard.com On Behalf Of Per
> Rosin
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 4:16 PM
> To: tv@obbard.com
> Subject: Re: (TV) RE: Accidentially Hit the Send
> Button / Who Plays What
> When / To m's vs Richard's Tone
> 
> 
> As a guitarplayer I don't think it's more difficult
> for me to hear the 
> difference between RL and TV, than it is for a
> MM-list member to directly 
> understand who has written the mail I'm replying to
> and my own one in lousy 
> English. You have to excuse me Leo, but everything
> you're writing is just 
> speculations. Therefore I will not argue against
> you, despite I'm sure 
> you're wrong in most of the cases. Give us some
> PROOF!!!
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