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Re: (TV) Television

I'm confused

My analysis wasn't personal or attacking 




> On Dec 31, 2014, at 10:48 AM, "Leo Casey" <LeoCasey@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Dennis, please don't leave. If you do I won't heckle your performances
> anymore! :>)  (I was there Sunday night.)
> 
> Seriously, there are a lot (majority of people) on this List who don't agree
> with Jay's analysis.
> 
> Leo
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tv-owner@obbard.com [mailto:tv-owner@obbard.com] On Behalf Of Dennis D
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 7:47 AM
> To: tv@obbard.com
> Subject: Re: (TV) Television
> 
> Days is their most influential song??????? Wow, well that's says it all, 
> Richard WAS Television and Tom had nothing to do with them being a good 
> band, in your opinion.
> If the one song Richard gets writing credit on is their most influential to 
> you makes it very clear how you feel about the band. Richard talked to you, 
> so of course his side of things must be correct.
> I've never met anyone who thought Days was their most influential song 
> before.
> I'm going to bow out of this thread because I like both Richard and Tom and 
> I'm not going to defend one and slag the other. In fact it may be time to 
> leave the list.
> The Richard camp is just too happy to slag Tom because Richard talked to 
> them once or twice. See ya.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Their current fans seem to think differently, at least as far as I can tell 
> doing so shows with them and seeing how the audience has reacted since 
> Richard left.
> 
> 
> I hope nobody around here misunderstands my feelings about the band.
> 
> Truth be told it's A story of squandered genius and verlaines insane ego
> 
> Seriously ask yourself which song on the first two albums was the most 
> influential song had the greatest impact?  Was it Tom's stones influenced 
> songs?
> 
> No it was a modest song called days
> 
> The blueprint of REM's first two if not three albums very influential to the
> 
> go-betweens and extremely influential across-the-board going to the 80s and 
> forward for that type of music
> 
> Richard is the member of the band who anticipated and influenced a good 
> portion of the 80s--not Tom
> 
> I do not think that I am giving away any confidences to say that I spoke to 
> Richard and he's told me that he strongly pushed for television to tour up 
> and down the East Coast in 78 and Tom pushed back
> 
> The reason I have a problem with Verlane is because I've met many remains in
> 
> my life and they're not fun people to be around extremely controlling people
> 
> always hurt those who are around them
> 
> I understand why Billy and Fred and even rip are willing to bite their 
> tongue's because they probably don't have a lot of money and this is a way 
> to make a little bit of money
> but they are slaves to a crazy controlling person who hasn't really shared 
> much of his genius with us in 30 years
> 
> The funny thing is that when you see these guys play --whether it was Lloyd 
> back in the 90s or the early 2000's or rip now, you realize that most of the
> 
> solos were Richards
> 
> In my opinion the tragedy of television is that Richard was such a fucking 
> mess back then that he could rally nobody behind him, and Tom is such a 
> psychological manipulative person that he's always had Billy and Fred on his
> 
> side
> 
> I'm not saying that Richard hasn't been the author of his own destruction 
> because he has and I've seen him in person acting like a nut
> 
> all I'm saying is that if Tom had not been such an ego maniac control freak 
> and had opened his mind television could've been huge
> 
> And as talented as rip is, and he is,I've seen enough television shows and 
> watched enough YouTube videos to see that he does not bring out the best of 
> Verlaine like Richard did
> 
> For me the best the original band has ever done since their first go around 
> was 1880 or so live
> 
> That is the essence of television
> 
> 
> 
> 
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