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Re: (TV) Beware of Sales Pitches
I'm not sure this is really about who is the greatest.
> From: "Murray Ramone" <murrayramone@hotmail.com>
> Reply-To: tv@obbard.com
> Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 21:57:13 +0100
> To: tv@obbard.com
> Subject: Re: (TV) Beware of Sales Pitches
>
> Excellent observations
>
> thats why Tom Verlaine is cool and Richard Thompson is in the worthy but
> DULL category
>
> I like the fact that Verlaine still makes music and doesnt really give a
> flying f u c k whether it sells or not and he doesnt do it for his fans
> but for himself - thats the mark of a great artist
>
>> From: Jeffrey Germaine <jpg55@attbi.com>
>> Reply-To: tv@obbard.com
>> To: <tv@obbard.com>
>> Subject: Re: (TV) Beware of Sales Pitches
>> Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 10:03:57 -0700
>>
>> Excellent observations.
>> R. Thompson is a far far different personality than T.V.
>> R.T. is the complete artist. He also has a very clever sense of humor.
>> I know that he is very committed to his fans. I have never gotten that
>> sense
>> from T.V. in the over twenty-five years of following him.
>> The only thing I have always wondered about T.V. is what does he do with
>> all
>> his time? His body of work is small and he really doesn't tour very much.
>> When I first met him I sensed he was completely detached and insecure. I
>> suppose that first impressions are sometimes right.
>> There is an old saying that says the older you get the harder you have to
>> work because the less time there is. With R.T. I see a passionate artist
>> who
>> is out in the midst of the world and is aware of time. With Verlaine I
>> see
>> a man who is completely removed from the world and out of time.
>>
>>
>>> From: Keith Allison <keith@marquee.demon.co.uk>
>>> Reply-To: tv@obbard.com
>>> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 01:50:20 +0100
>>> To: tv@obbard.com
>>> Subject: Re: (TV) Beware of Sales Pitches
>>>
>>> In message <20030603205059.96194.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com>, Philip
>>> P. Obbard <pobbard@yahoo.com> writes
>>>> Besides, how's this for ironic: Television released a live album this
>> year,
>>>> entitled LIVE AT THE ACADEMY NYC (taken from a 1992 show). You could
>> buy this
>>>> CD at their 2003 gigs. Since then, you can't buy it anywhere - even if
>> you
>>>> try
>>>> to contact the email address listed on the CD - *except* from the one
>> store
>>>> in
>>>> NYC that is also the single biggest source of 'commercial' Television
>>>> bootlegs.
>>>
>>> You know, I was just thinking, wouldn't it all just be so much easier if
>>> we just transferred all this admiration we have to a "proper" band - ie
>>> one which wanted to succeed rather than one which is 'led' by someone
>>> who, for whatever reason, seems determined to be as big a commercial
>>> failure as possible?
>>>
>>> That Richard Thompson, now, there's a Gent. Just looking at the back of
>>> Mock Tudor and there's a list of URLs where you can, hey!, find out more
>>> about the music and its creator(s). Novel idea. You can find out where
>>> to buy his work - you can actually buy it! And, you see, reading in the
>>> recent Mojo about the tensions which tore apart RT's personal and
>>> creative partnership with his wife, and which informed and directed both
>>> their work, is actually far more interesting than wondering why Tom V.
>>> and Mike Carlucci don't talk to each other. It's their business and
>>> anyway it's boring. I mean, who cares, you know? Tom Verlaine has a
>>> manager to look after his interests, he doesn't need us.
>>>
>>> My son is just going through a huge Nirvana phase and, with all the
>>> hormonal angst of a 14-year-old, he sees Cobain as a tragic figure,
>>> rather than a rather sad, self-obsessed and immature fuck-up. Which is
>>> fine for a 14-year-old but we should all be old enough to get past the
>>> "Poor Tom" crap and just get pissed off at the complete disdain and
>>> indifference with which our favourite band seems to regard its fans.
>>>
>>> Ms "X" - this is not an attack on you - but you mentioned: "It was Tom
>>> who first asked me to post under an anonymous name, back in 1998". I
>>> mean, if this is true, how sad is that? Why? If the guy posted to this
>>> list or the Yahoo Group and said, "Stop sending out fucking copies of my
>>> live work!" then I might seriously consider it. As it is, I couldn't
>>> give a fuck what he thinks about it, any more than he appears to give a
>>> fuck about anything much other than silly games, self-pity and treading
>>> his own lonely, weary, circular road. What a waste of an incredible
>>> talent - there was a time when Verlaine could have been huge and he
>>> settled for being Small. If only I didn't love 'Dreamtime' so much... if
>>> only Marquee Moon wasn't a work of art... if only, you know..?
>>>
>>>
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