RE: (TV) pish / hippies' aural proclivities / The Dead

["Casey, Leo J" <CaseyL@VOLPE.DOT.GOV>]

>Well, let's see...stoned hippies are easily 
>impressed by scale and simple
>mode-oriented soloing.

nick keiser aka DAYKARAK, 

This is not that important but:

A)I agree with everything you said in your post.

B)But you may have misunderstood me or missed 
the context of my original question and the Phish 
example (to Mark).

I was just pointing out that long songs (live or 
in-studio) by themselves do not always guarantee 
a band's commercial failure.  I gave 
Mark 2 counter examples (Phish and the Dead ) 
to his 'mini-thesis' that song 
length = commercial death.  

But that doesn't mean I'm not aware of  
why Phish [or other bands of their ilk--not 
including The Dead here--although I'm not a fan] 
appeal to a large segment of consumers, 
i.e., to those that like guitar noodling.

In an old post to List, Dennis made two great points:
"I have always described Garcia's playing as 'noodling'. 
To me Tom's playing mis much more concise and cutting. 
Even in extended jams, I've never thought of Tom 
as sounding anything like Garcia."

True confessions category: I was a late 1960s-
mid-1970s "hippie" in my youth'--for better or for 
worse (like to think for the better), and during this 
period I listened to some pretty dumb stuff (e.g., 
"Joy of Cooking") and some pretty great music 
(The Stones, Miles Davis, Velvet Underground, etc.,).
I remember a bunch of us 22 year-olds smoking at 
someone's home and then listening to The Dead's 
"Dark Star" from 'Live Dead' with all the 
lights out.

  Leo

PS: my cousin's son, who lives on Cape Cod, has 
a close friend who knows two of the members of 
PHISH and who hangs out with them as he follows their 
tours around the US. After meeting this guy several years 
ago, your profile of these types of bands listeners was 
uncanny.

I told him about Television/Verlaine and gave him 
a cassette I had made of them but his reaction was nil.

	Leo
  
-----Original Message-----
From: Murray Ramone 
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 10:54 AM
To: tv@obbard.com
Subject: (TV) pish

>PHISH - never heard them, but I cant help 
>but read the first H silently
>Pish is how we say piss in Scotland
>sounds like its the right way to read it

>From: DAYKARAK@aol.com
>Reply-To: tv@obbard.com
>To: tv@obbard.com
>Subject: (TV) Re: TV Digest V1 #826
>Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 17:30:13 EST
>
>
>Well, let's see...stoned hippies are easily impressed by scale and simple
>mode-oriented soloing. They truly believe that somehow, magically, even
>though structurally most of what's being done isn't drastically different
>from the recording, that the music is being made up on the fly. .....
>Phish", the one guy said. Now since when is rock 'n' roll supposed to be 
>got bigger speakers.
>
>-nick keiser
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