Re: (TV) Collectors' Choice/Check out Keith's posted article/Proposition for non-USA listers

[Sam Inglis <sam@sospubs.co.uk>]

I haven't heard the Collectors' Choice CD, but if it really sounds so
different from the Clearmountain mix, the chances are they've used the
wrong master tape, and it is an alternate mix. It's quite possible that
the original master tapes have disappeared. Mastering, or the lack of
it, shouldn't make too much difference.

I think the whole 'make it sound louder than everything else' thing is a
bit of a red herring here -- it's something that affects new releases,
but there's no reason for reissue labels to get involved (the reason for
it is mainly that labels want their records to stand out on the radio).
That kind of mastering also costs an arm and a leg if done
professionally. If it *is* a mastering error, it's more likely that CC
simply tried to do it themselves on the cheap and ballsed it up. 

"Casey, Leo J" wrote:
> 
> ----Original Message-----
> From: secretX@webtv.net
> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 6:30 PM
> To: tv@obbard.com
> Subject: (TV) Tom Verlaine
> 
> >but I see what you mean when you say it sounds like
> >the wrong mix. Wrong is Right. This mix redefines distortion.
> >He wants to hurt my ears until I scream for mercy. That is
> >pure Tom. He is the violent disobedient boy who crashes
> >his hands across the piano keys to shock and annoy. And they
> >say he's not punk!  The flashing screeching aural lights painfully
> >blind.
> 
> >The Collector's Choice Tom Verlaine CD is fantastic but I still
> >prefer the Bob Clearmountain mix. If I'm in the mood for
> >rough ear-piercing high treble Verlaine, I will put on the
> >Collector's Choice version.
> 
> I've been wrong many a time before so------but I really think it's
> a lot more than just ear piercing treble or bad equalization.
> *We will probably never know how much TV was responsible for
> (or how much input he had in) the selection of mixes,
> and even more importantly for giving
> instructions/guidance/suggestions/commands
> to the engineer and 'masterer' of this cd
> [can anyone on list ask TV sometime when he's in a good mood?].
> 
> I think that a substantial part of the problem is that this cd
> was mixed/made to be too loud (i.e., "too compressed" ) and the
> result is a sound with a loss of dynamic range and distortion of
> some of the guitar (although strangely I don't hear the guitar
> distorted in the usual sense of the word 'distorted', albeit I
> haven't gotten a chance to listen with my new headphones yet).
> 
> Keith posted a great little article 10 days ago which I think sheds
> a great deal of light on probably what happened to the Collectors'
> Edition of the Tom Verlaine cd: http://www.prorec.com/prorec/articles.nsf/articles/
> 
> I urge you to read it if you haven't already.
> 
> Having said all that, I still think this version is
> an interesting aural document **worth owning.**  So if anyone
> on MM list who **doesn't live in USA** and would like to avoid paying
> some exorbitant postage charged to you by Collectors Edition folks,
> then send me an e-mail [OFF-LIST] and "we'll" see if we can work out an
> arrangement where I buy the cd for you, then I, BASED ON YOUR SPECIFIC
> geographical locale, find out from my post-office how much it would cost to
> mail it to you from Boston, Massachusetts, USA and if you agree this is
> 'reasonable' I'll mail you a copy, and then you reimburse me afterwards.
> 
> Why you may ask am I doing this?
> 
> 1) I'm a nice guy;
> 2) I am really Tom Verlaine (there's no such person as Leo), and this way
>    I get a better share of profits from Collector's Edition;
> 3) I figure only a few MM listers will be interested in this proposition;
> 4) I love these songs.
> 
>         Leo
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